As some of you know, my friend Jeff is a former Jew, a former lawyer, and present-day Marin County atheist who thinks that Michael Savage’s recent characterization of his ilk as curly-haired devils is anti-Semitic and sick. My question is why someone who dismisses God’s existence and his rich cultural history would care, but that’s for another Q & A.
Anyway, the following is my most recent dialogue with Jeff:
Jeff: I'd like to think that I am an intellectual.
exLib: What qualifies you as an intellectual on political science and international relations?
Jeff: I do not consider myself a liberal or a conservative.
exLib: I consider myself conservative to differentiate myself from the dim-witted bleeding-heart that I once was. I have evolved and I don’t fear labels the way many liberals do. I’m not embarrassed by my experience, thoughts, or ideas. I have practiced them as well.
Jeff: I try to call them as I see them. For example, I applauded Clinton's impeachment, but I also believe that Bush is underqualified for the job.
exLib: What specifically do you think makes Bush underqualified? My wife was a mediocre high school graduate, and yet she built a travel company from nothing into a $200 million/year industry powerhouse. She didn’t do it by herself. As president, she hired top people and collaborated in much the same way that Bush does. I’m not the greatest tactician on the planet, but by surrounding myself with highly qualified Marines and cops, I was able to develop, lead, and execute complicated operations that resulted in lengthy prison sentences of career criminals. I have about 30 college units, a commercial pilot’s license, a scuba divemaster license, and 26 years of public service. Chomsky would not call me an intellectual – nor would I feel good if he did.
Jeff: I am very familiar with the controversy surrounding Finkelstein and Chomsky. I am not a name-caller. I do not refer to a human as an "animal" as you do.
exLib: This is probably because you’ve never met anyone who threatened to kill you and your family. You don’t perceive dangers where they are because your parents, like many of our era, knew evil and did everything they could to dispel notions of evil to their children. Through no fault of their own, they wanted to protect you. As a result, you’ve been conditioned to think that people like Hassan Nasrallah and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad only seek fairness. You have never been directly confronted by evil and, therefore, you refuse to believe it exists. And because you doubt its existence, your spirituality is limited to notions of self (e.g., I consider myself an intellectual). This is why real heroes will never call themselves heroes (John McCain), and posers (John Kerry) do. I’ve known and worked with real heroes while you barely know who you are. And because of your profound lack of real-world experience, you consider yourself an intellectual much the same way that adolescent boys consider themselves astonishingly talented when they’ve mastered Nintendo.
Jeff: It is despicable for a Jew- no less- to engage in dehumanizing rhetoric since we have been its victims. Finkelstein says some harsh things. His rhetoric is over the top, but he does make some points worth making. Jews are humans after all and thus fall prey to all human failings. And it takes someone brave to say politically incorrect things, e.g., Jews are not beyond reproach when it comes to exploiting the tragedy of the Holocaust. No doubt, there has been some illegitimate exploitation.
exLib: This is an example of your faux intellectual sense. You may recall or have forgotten that the Neanderthals disappeared from Europe probably because our ancestors killed them off. The Aztecs were wiped out (to the horror of today’s MECHA/Aztlan whackos) by a tiny band of Conquistadors and surrounding villages and peoples who had grown weary of being attacked, pillaged, and enslaved by the Aztecs. Humanity has a long history of mistreating others, which makes today’s he hit me Daddy – well, she hit me first relativism childish and moot. So instead of pursuing past indiscretions, Humanity should examine which nations and people are making the best contributions toward the progress and freedom of humanity. Despite our brief history, no other country has done more to deliver freedom than the United States. Among the countries and people of the world, Jews are among those who have helped the world progress and gain freedom. The United States and Israel are good neighbors. If Iran wants to destroy Israel, the United States must decide which country has done more to deliver happiness (read Adam’s Thoughts on Government) than Iran. Iran, like most Islamic countries, hates Jews and Christians because 1) freedom interferes with their primitive need to control their populace, and 2) we remind Muslims of how primitive and controlled they really are. We threaten Imams and their male-dominated power. If we weigh the benefits of our Judeo-Christian neighbors and sympathizers against our Islamic fundamentalist neighbors and sympathizers, the answer is clear to honest people. There’s a reason you prefer to live where you live and not in Iran. The only thing that prevents you from reaching this conclusion is your 1) dishonesty and 2) fear of looking like a conservative among your dishonest and intellectually weak friends. I know this because, as much as I love my wife, she’s also afraid of alienating her left-wing dope-smoking ex-hippie friends. It takes as much courage to be conservative as it take laziness to be a liberal. Visualizing World Peace is far easier than fighting for the freedoms that guarantee it.
Jeff: Even a Holocaust denier may be able to put certain facts things into proper perspective even if 99% of the things he says are wrong. I serve the truth more than I serve my country or Israel. Only the truth will set you free! Consequently, I am bound to consider both sides of an issue.
exLib: You have barely considered your own, and you have not yet challenged any other.
Jeff: As much as I resent Michael Savage's rhetoric, I do not seek to have him censored. Rather, I want him ignored by responsible broadcasters. Let Savage rant on his website if he likes.
exLib: As much as you’ve expressed your disdain for Savage, you still haven’t explained ONE lie or misrepresentation. In this way, you remind me of a conversation I had with my mom. She’s 81 and recently told me she doesn’t listen to Rush Limbaugh because she cannot stand him. When I pressed her for a reason, she said that she once heard Limbaugh say he was God. When I explained the multiple reasons he says, “Talent on loan from God,” she felt much better and has begun to listen to him again – admitting (like millions of Americans) that he makes a lot of sense. This is what betrays your self-delusion as an intellectual – you abhor Savage’s rants and what he calls you and other Jewish betrayers of Israel, Judaism, and the United States, but you failed to describe why Savage’s curly-haired devil moniker doesn’t suit you. From what I gather, you dislike his delivery – which is exactly why I don’t listen to him. He makes sense, but his mother dresses him funny.
Jeff: Finkelstein and Chomsky are not demagogues like Savage.
exLib: Again, you illustrate my point. You think their Mister Rogers persona makes them more thoughtful than Savage. They don’t frighten you as much. And from my studies of human communication, I know this isn’t really your fault. About two-thirds of all people are wired this way. It takes work and discipline to overcome Savage’s delivery and Chomsky’s seduction.
Jeff: There are serious intellectuals however much you disagree with their opinions. Chomsky applies moral principles equally against all parties.
ExLib: If I punch you in the nose every day for one week and you finally retaliate a week later in a way that catches Chomsky’s attention, I doubt you will appreciate his moral relativism – regardless of his delivery: Now now, Jeffrey, hitting back isn’t good. What did you do that provoked Clark into punching you repeatedly this week? In what way can you modify your behavior so he won’t want to hit you again? Why don’t you try to be his friend? Maybe you can give him your cupcake since he doesn’t have one… You’ll quickly see that Chomsky poses more of a threat to you than I do, for while I’m the guy who punches you, Chomsky’s the guy who compels you to let me do it. If you consider him more human than vermin after a month of that, you’re dishonesty will be consistent – which makes you as dangerous as Chomsky and his ilk. Calling you or Chomsky vermin would be an insult to lice.
Jeff: He does not allow the U.S to claim that it is "exceptional" because it is a Superpower.
ExLib: The US is exceptional not because it’s a superpower, but because of the freedoms and history that resulted in a country and people that willingly defends good people from regimes led by people like Hitler, Hirohito, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hussein. We’re exceptional because after a war like WWII, we assisted our imperialistic enemies like Germany and Japan in rebuilding themselves into free societies. And yes, we were once friends with Hussein, but did so because Iran posed a greater threat at the time. Like any childhood schoolyard, you gain allies when necessary and reform marginal friends when possible.
Jeff: Every country must abide by the same laws.
ExLib: Um, what US Constitution laws do you think the US should suspend in favor of other countries? And since the United States makes the tastiest cake, shouldn’t we use the US Constitution as a model?
Jeff: When one does so, some US. policies are morally questionable.
exLib: Which ones? Be specific or does your intellectual laziness prevent this?
Jeff: It is difficult to be so dispassionate in applying the rules to one's own country when we have such a prejudice in our own favor. But we must do so if we are to be intellectually honest.
exLib: I don’t know if you’ve ever lived in another country, but my Mom is from Brazil and my wife was from India. I lived and worked in the Far East, Asia, India, and Central America. I’ve traveled to every continent except Antarctica. Having seen how governments treat their citizens around the world and the parallels between despotic regimes, aristocracies, corrupt governments and liberalism, I cannot help but conclude that the United States represents a superior way of life than all other countries around the world. And since the US is the #1 destination for immigrants, I’d imagine that this is the general consensus of more than the billions who want to live here. Yes, I like the United States more than India and Zimbabwe. I have enough money to live anywhere on the planet and I choose to live here. My preference to the United States is not prejudicial, for I arrived at this conclusion AFTER living and working in other countries. For those like you who have not, you demonstrate your prejudice and ignorance based upon unproven assumptions that you probably read about or learned in college. If you lived in India or Mexico for a few years and sought work, property, and freedom, you would arrive at other conclusions not based on your current prejudices. There is hope for you, for all conservatives are former liberals. Conservatives do not regress into liberalism unless they develop an addiction to drugs and alcohol or develop some geriatric neurological disorder.
exLib: I’m not saying that the US or all Americans are perfect. I’ve endured terrible injustice after confronting municipal corruption, but I survived and learned from it. By the way the third world injustice I endured stemmed from left-wing liberals who didn’t like being exposed for the public fraud they committed.
Jeff: I would never say that the U.S. is like Hezbollah, but let's face it, the US and any country with nuclear weapons engages in a bit of terrorism. After all, a nuclear bomb is the ULTIMATE terror weapon. And threatening an entire civilian population with the risk of annihilation in the event of a nuclear attack by a rogue regime is a bit terrifying. To that extent at least, it could rightly be said that America, China, France, etc engage in terrorism.
exLib: George Orwell addressed your argument in 1942 when he wrote:
Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other… ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors
have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and
security.
… A German or Japanese pacifist would be “objectively pro-British”. That is why pacifist activities are not permitted in those countries (in both of them the penalty is, or can be, beheading) while both the Germans and the Japanese do all they can to encourage the spread of pacifism in British and American territories. The Germans even run a spurious ‘freedom’ station which serves out pacifist propaganda indistinguishable from that of the P.P.U… (P)acifist propaganda can only be effective against those countries where a certain amount of freedom of speech is still permitted; in other words it is helpful to totalitarianism.
What I object to is the intellectual cowardice of people who are objectively and to some extent emotionally pro-Fascist, but who don’t care to say so and take refuge behind the formula ‘I am just as anti-fascist as anyone, but… ‘Those who fight against Fascism go Fascist themselves.’
You can study his complete letter
here.
Jeff:
My only point in initially contacting you was to make you fully apprised of Savage's tactics in playing to his Christian audience. Savage is not above employing anti-Semitic rhetoric in order to pander to a latent anti-Semitism among his fans.
exLib: Your paranoid arguments are as silly as my 81-year-old mother’s. The difference is that once she understood that she misunderstood, she opened her mind to the content of Limbaugh’s arguments. She’s not stuck on stupid.
Jeff:
I know that you are of the opinion that evangelical Christians are Israel's best friends. But it does not follow that they cannot still hold anti-Semitic attitudes such as "Jews control the media, Hollywood, banking, etc." If a leftist Jew can be accused of being anti-Semitic, surely a pro-Israel Christian can be regarded as such too. The "bad Jews" have made good scapegoats for a millennia; Savage knows this and exploits it.
exLib: There’s your best argument – requiring others to prove the negative: Just because evangelical Christians are Israel’s best friends doesn’t mean they cannot hold anti-Semitic attitudes. You should have outgrown that logic in the tenth grade. And based upon your comments, I cannot state this with more force – There are good people and bad people. There are good countries and bad countries. The US and Israel are good countries. Iran and North Korea are bad countries. Some Americans and Israelis are good, and some are bad. Good countries don’t make bad wars against good countries. When bad countries attack good countries, it is the duty of all good countries to come to the aid of their good neighbor, lest the bad country win and continue its attack on other good countries. And when good countries acquiesce to the misconduct of bad countries, they themselves lose their goodness. The good news is that countries that make mistakes ALWAYS have the opportunity to do the right thing. These are fundamental truths that will likely require courage and months of study among open-minded lefties.
ExLib: When someone like Mike Savage calls some people vermin, it is because of his clearly articulated analysis of their behavioral traits and not their ethnicity. I abhor Muslims not because of my hegemony, but because Muslims continuously demonstrate their primitive intolerance of other beliefs and people AND because so-called “good Muslims” haven’t the courage or character to reform themselves and their Islamic neighbors. If the Lebanese people want to rid themselves of the 3000 Hezbollah fighters who threaten their sovereignty, they should ally themselves with Israeli forces to delouse themselves of this vermin. But because they choose to run or passively acquiesce to Hezbollah, they become the enemy – just as acquiescent German civilians were the enemy of Humanity sixty years ago.
exLib: Your relativism is simplistic, childish, and ignorant. And these are not simply words or names, but a careful analysis of your arguments. And as Orwell described, you have the character of a fascist.
Jeff:
I am an atheist. As a result, I really am not a Jew. I told you that I live very near Savage who lives in Marin County, not LA. But I do not believe in Chakras and spiritual energy, etc. Perhaps, you do given your faith in invisible beings. I refuse to vote. I am contemptuous of the political process. It is an insult to the thinking man. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils…
…I used to be a lawyer, but I fear any debate with you would be fruitless. It is very tiresome to have my arguments mischaracterized.
exLib: Your words speak for themselves. Could it be that my unresponsiveness has something to with your vague/ambiguous comments/questions? I agree that being liberal coherence is as unlikely as drunken coherence. Travel and Internet cafés aside, I’m certain that your return home will also return your wits.
Jeff:
It is not intellectually honest to do so. It is terribly uncivil to presume that your opponent is making an absurd argument that you can easily rebut.
exLib: If your arguments were less absurd they would be harder to rebut. I’m an investigator and you’re a lawyer. I hoped that characterizing your absurd arguments as absurd would promote clarification rather than hurt feelings.
Jeff:
It insults my intelligence. It is more likely that you have misinterpreted the argument.
exLib: Objection – foundation – vague/ambiguous – facts not in evidence.
Jeff:
You should give your ideological opponent the benefit of the doubt. In so doing, you will encourage a healthy debate instead of dissuading me to engage you.
exLib: The benefit of WHAT doubt? I’ve done nothing except press you for coherence. I will assume that your present distractions have hobbled you.
I hope you respond when you return home to peace and quiet. If you choose not to I will assume that your incoherence has more to do with you than your present distractions.
Have a safe trip! I look forward to hearing from you again.